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Erasing the Accusation of Shirk

 

 

 

 

 


 

 

 

 

Erasing the Accusation of Shirk: A Conversation with a Kharajite - By Abu Ammar

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By worshipping idols you can never be close to Allah, although by using the Prophets and pious as a wasila you wil succeed in being close to Allah.

Even if the polytheists of Makkah used their idols as wasila (in a different manner to Muslims), or if they worshipped their idols, neither of these will bring you close to Allah. Not only can you attain closeness to Allah through the wasila of the Prophets and pious, but also through sittting in their company, learning from them and following them.

Our Explanation of wasila

The manner in which we use the Prophets and pious as wasila is by using their righteousness. They have carried out so many good deeds and are very blessed, so we use their righteousness as a wasila. We have much love for them and even loving them is a good deed!

Ali: What are you saying? How can their righteousness benefit you? How can you make wasila using their righteousness-their good deeds? Their good deeds will only benefit themselves, not you. My shaykh informed me that you would sooner or later make such absurd claims that you can use the good deeds of the Prophets and pious as a wasila. For this reason he told me to show you this in contradiction to the following verses of the Qur?an:

002.141 Those are a people who have passed away; theirs is that which they earned and yours that which ye earn. And ye will not be asked of what they used to do.

053.038 That no laden one shall bear another's load,

053.039 And that man hath only that for which he maketh effort,

In these verses, Allah Almighty tells us that what people earn is theirs and what we earn is ours: there is no ?wasila for their righteousness?!

Qadi: Let me deal with both verses you presented individually. Firstly, when you presented 002:141 you did not bother to look at the verses before and after it. If you did, you would have actually been able to understand the correct meaning of this verse. This is a habbit of you and your shaykh. Look carefully below at the verses before and after 002:141, as Allah Almighty says in the Qur?an:

002.139 Say (unto the People of the Scripture): Dispute ye with us concerning Allah when He is our Lord and your Lord? Ours are our works and yours your works. We look to Him alone.

002.140 Or say ye that Abraham, and Ishmael, and Isaac, and Jacob, and the tribes were Jews or Christians? Say: Do ye know best, or doth Allah? And who is more unjust than he who hideth a testimony which he hath received from Allah? Allah is not unaware of what ye do.

After reading these verses you should understand that 002:149 and the verses around it are directed at the Jews and Christians of Madina. Allah Almighty is telling them that they will not be able to benefit from the previous Prophets ?Ours are our work and yours is your work? because they believed in Sayydina Abraham, Ishmael, Issac and Jacob (may Allah be pleased with them) but failed to believe in the Prophet Muhammad (may Allah bless him and grant him peace) as the final successor to the Prophets and the final Messenger of Allah. ?And who is more unjust than he who hideth a testimony which he hath received from Allah?? It is for this reason that the previous Prophet?s good deeds and piety will not be able to benefit them, even though they believed in their prophecy. At the same time, this verse implies that the previous Prophets will be able to benefit those who believe in the Prophet Muhammad (may Allah bless him and grant him peace) and accept him as the final Messenger of Allah. Again, your shaykh has succeeded in his habbit of placing the verses of the kafir upon the Muslims

Regarding :

053.038 That no laden one shall bear another's load,

053.039 And that man hath only that for which he maketh effort,

I really feel you should reconsider the manner in which you are studying the Qur?an. If you continue to take out verses from their proper context you will surley fall into destruction. If you looked at the verses before and after the second verse you presented, (053.039), you would have come to know that it is actually intended for the polytheists of Makkah and the star worshippers who are being addressed not the Muslims, as Allah Almighty says in the Qur?an:

053.019 Have ye thought upon Al-Lat and Al-'Uzza

053.020And Manat, the third, the other?

053.0.021Are yours the males and His the females?

053.022 That indeed were an unfair division!

053.023They are but names which ye have named, ye and your fathers, for which Allah hath revealed no warrant. They follow but a guess and that which (they) themselves desire. And now the guidance from their Lord hath come unto them.

053.049 And that He it is Who is the Lord of Sirius;

If you learn to read the verses in their proper context, you will be successful in understanding the verses of the Qur?an, although you and your shaykh always seem to fail to look at the preceeding and following verses. After looking at the verses before and after the verses you presented, you will see that it is actually the Jews, Christians, the polytheists and those who worhsipepd the stars that the verses are talking of. Furthermore, when we say that we are making wasila using the righteousness of the pious, we do not mean to say that if a pious person does a good deed we will be rewarded for HIS good deed. No! What we are saying is that we will receive some of the blessings for the sake of that good deed. The argument in this case is not ?wasila?, but with recieveing blessing and reward for the sake of anothers righteousness.

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Iman and Kuffr

(Belief and Infidelity)

We also learn that the verses are not relating to wasila but it is a case for those who accept and reject Iman, as Allah Almighty says in the Qur?an

017.015 Who receiveth guidance, receiveth it for his own benefit: who goeth astray doth so to his own loss: No bearer of burdens can bear the burden of another: nor would We visit with Our Wrath until We had sent an messenger (to give warning).

In this verse Allah Almighty is comparing the traits of the believers with the disbelievers, proving to us the verse is dicussing Iman and Kufar and not wasila!

One Question

 

Some may question that Muslims have a lot of ways to benefit from other?s righteousness, however the person with no belief does not. Why is this?

The answer to this question can be seen through this example: If a plant has no roots and you keep giving it water, it will never be able to benefit from the water, because it has no roots to absorb the water. Having no roots creates the ?break? between the water and the plant. In the same way our root is the root of Iman, and it is through that root that the Prophets and pious righteousness and rewards can benefit us, although sadly, those who do not have any belief in Allah or His Messengers and Prophet?s do not have the root of Iman, which Muslims do. Only when they accept Iman, they grow and that root can take benefit from the Prophets and the pious.

Can the Deeds of the Prophets and Pious

be beneficial for others?

The answer is yes! The deeds of the Prophets and pious can benefit others in many ways. Let us look at the examples of this in the Holy Qur?an, as Allah Almighty says in the Qur?an,

018.082 And as for the wall, it belonged to two orphan boys in the city, and there was beneath it a treasure belonging to them, and their father had been righteous, and thy Lord intended that they should come to their full strength and should bring forth their treasure as a mercy from their Lord; and I did it not upon my own command. Such is the interpretation of that wherewith thou couldst not bear.

In this verse we are informed of the story when Sayyidina Musa (peace be upon him) and Sayyidina Khidr (peace be upon him) both went and built a wall above the treasures which belonged to two orphans. The reason Allah Almighty commanded his Prophets to build this wall was because Allah Almighty wanted to shower His mercy upon the two orphans; ?bring forth their treasure as a mercy from their Lord? the reason for Allah?s Mercy was because of their righteous father! ?their father had been righteous? SubhanAllah! This shows how the righteousness of their deceased father benifited them in this world.

Secondly, it was Sayyidina Khidr (peace be upon him) who told Sayyidina Musa (peace be upon him) the reason for building the wall, which was because ?their father had been righteous?. Here, one Prophet has said this and the other has accepted that ones righteosness can benefit others even after their death. Surely if the Prophets can accept this, it cannot be shirk of any sort, as some claim!

Second Proof

The previous verses have shown us how the righteousness of parents will benefit their children in this world. The follwing verse will prove to us the righteousness of the parents can also benefit the children in the next world, as Allah Almighty says in the Qur?am:

052.021 And (as for) those who believe and their offspring follow them in faith, We will unite with them their offspring and We will not diminish to them aught of their work; every man is responsible for what he shall have wrought.

013.023 Gardens of Eden which they enter, along with all who do right of their fathers and their helpmeets and their seed. The angels enter unto them from every gate,

In these two verses we are told that some righteous parents will be in a higher level in heaven than their children. However, because they will pray to Allah, longing that their children will be with them, Allah in His infinite Mercy will unite their offspring with them. SubhanAllah! Even in pardise the righteousness of the parents will benefit their children and will not only bring them closer to their parents, but bring them to a higher place in heaven!

When someone intercedes for another person, we know this will not decrease the deeds of the person interceding, but it will make the person with less deeds gain from the one with more. In the same way the deeds of the righteous parents will not decrease because, ?every man is responsible for what he shall have wrought.?

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Disbelievers do not believe that the Prophets are

an intermediary between mankind and Allah Most High

002.008 And of mankind are some who say: We believe in Allah and the Last Day, when they believe not.

The disbelievers used to say that we believe in Allah and the Last Day, however they did not believe Rasulullah (may Allah bless him and grant him peace) as in intermediary between mankind and Allah Azawajal. It is for this reason that Allah has called them disbelievers.

004.061 And when it is said unto them: Come unto that which Allah hath revealed and unto the messenger, thou seest the hypocrites turn from thee with aversion.

In this verse, we learn that the hypocrites believed in Allah but denied Rasulullah (may Allah bless him and grant him peace) as Allah says, the hypocrites turn from thee. The hypocrites turned from Rasulullah (may Allah bless him and grant him peace) who is the intermediary between Allah and mankind! It was for this reason that they had been called hypocrites.

063.005 And when it is said unto them: Come! The messenger of Allah will ask forgiveness for you! they avert their faces and thou seest them turning away, disdainful.

Furthermore in this verse, once again the disbelievers were turning away from the intermediary between themselves and Allah. Even when Rasulullah (may Allah bless him and grant him peace) said he would pray for their forgiveness they still scornfully turned their faces.

The Polytheists of Makkah and Tai?f did not believe that Rasulullah (may Allah bless him and grant him peace) is in an intermediary between Allah Azawajal and mankind

043.031 And they say: If only this Qur'an had been revealed to some great man of the two towns ?

Once again, from this verse we learn that the polytheists of Makkah and Tai?f also denied Rasulullah (may Allah bless him and grant him peace). They failed to believe that he is an intermediary between Allah Azawajal and mankind.

Objections to Wasila

·        003.128 It is no concern at all of thee (Muhammad) whether He relent toward them or punish them; for they are evil-doers.

Brother Ali, the verse you have presented has nothing to do with wasila and nor does it even contain the word. The actual meaning of this verse It is no concern at all of thee (Muhammad), means that when Allah Azawajal makes a decision, no-one can influence His decision unless He chooses for them to do so. The Prophets, the angels or mankind have no influence in His decision: it is Allah Almighty?s decision, indeed He is the Lord of the worlds and all decisions are made by Him. For example, when Allah Most Powerful created this universe, it did not concern anybody else other than Allah, about how or when to make this universe etc. But Allah is very Merciful upon His beloved Prophets and pious, so sometimes when He makes decisions He makes them according to the desires of the Prophets and pious. This does not mean that the Prophets and pious forcefully influence Allah?s decisions (I seek shelter in Allah!) though it does mean that Allah in His infinite Mercy accepts the desires of the Prophets and pious and fulfils them, as Allah Almighty says in the Qur?an:

002.144 We have seen the turning of thy face to heaven (for guidance, O Muhammad). And now verily We shall make thee turn (in prayer) toward a qiblah which is dear to thee. So turn thy face toward the Inviolable Place of Worship, and ye (O Muslims), wheresoever ye may be, turn your faces (when ye pray) toward it. Lo! Those who have received the Scripture know that (this revelation) is the Truth from their Lord. And Allah is not unaware of what they do.

When Rasulullah (may Allah bless him and grant him peace) migrated from Makkah to Madinah, all the Muslims prayed facing towards Masjid al-Aqsa (Dome of Rock in Jerusalem ), although it was always a desire of Rasulullah (may Allah bless him and grant him peace) for everyone to pray towards the Ka?bah in Makkah. When Allah Azawajal saw Rasulullah (may Allah bless him and grant him peace) turning to face the heavens with his desire, Allah fulfilled his wish to please Rasulullah (may Allah bless him and grant him peace), ?which is dear to thee? and to this day the entire Muslim community, all over the world faces towards the Ka?bah in Makkah whilst praying. The Prophets and pious have many wishes which Allah gracefully fulfills.

Listen carefully to this verse

020.130 Bear then patiently what they say, and glorify your Lord by the praising of Him before the rising of the sun and before its setting, and during hours of the night do also glorify (Him) and during parts of the day, that you may be well pleased.

Here, Allah Azawajal Himself wants to please His beloved Rasulullah (may Allah bless him and grant him peace).

093.005 And soon will your Lord give you so that you shall be well pleased.

From this verse we learn that Allah Azawajal is informing Rasulullah (may Allah bless him and grant him peace) that in order to please his beloved Prophet, He will grant him what he (may Allah bless him and grant him peace) desires. When Allah Azawajal grants us anything in this world, He does not do it with the purpose to please us, although He does it with the purpose to provide for us as He is the Lord of the worlds as He tells us in the Qur?an:

001.002 All praise is due to Allah, the Lord of the Worlds.

SubhanAllah?However, when Allah wanted to fulfill the desire of His beloved Rasulullah (may Allah bless him and grant him peace) it was in order to please His Mssenger (may Allah bless him and grant him peace). From this we learn that Allah Azawajal wants to see Hs beloved Rasuullah (may Allah bless him and grant him peace) pleased and Allah Azawajal will continue bestowing His blessings upon Rasuullah (may Allah bless him and grant him peace) until he is pleased. So in future when you do recite, It is no concern at all of thee (Muhammad), do not forget to recite all the verses I have just mentioned, they all interlink!

·        039.003 Surely pure religion is for Allah only. And those who choose protecting friends beside Him (say): We worship them only that they may bring us near unto Allah. Lo! Allah will judge between them concerning that wherein they differ. Lo! Allah guideth not him who is a liar, an ingrate.

This verse was used by you as your second objection against wasila. You think that because the polytheists of Makkah used their idols as intermediaries between Allah and mankind, the Ahl al-Sunna Wa al-Jama?a are following the same practice as the polytheists of Makkah by using the Prophet?s and pious as intermediaries between Allah and mankind.

Firstly, the polytheists of Makkah used to worship their idols, and we most definitely do not worship the Prophets and pious. Their ?idols? have been cursed and have been said to be the fuel of hell fire by Allah. In contradistinction, the Prophets and pious have been praised, have been promised the highest ranks in paradise and have been said to be intermediaries, as Allah Almighty says in the Qur?an:

010.062 Lo! verily the friends of Allah are (those) on whom fear (cometh) not, nor do they grieve ?
010.063 Those who believe and keep their duty (to Allah).
010.064 Theirs are good tidings in the life of the world and in the Hereafter - There is no changing the Words of Allah - that is the Supreme Triumph.

In these verses the friends of Allah have been praised, whereas the idols have been cursed in many places in the Qur?an.

Ali: I will now show you a verse of the Qur?an which tells us how the Prophets and angels have said not to use wasila in any way. Allah Almighty says in the Qur?an:

003.079 It is not (possible) for any human being unto whom Allah had given the Scripture and wisdom and the prophethood that he should afterwards have said unto mankind: Be slaves of me instead of Allah; but (what he said was): Be ye faithful servants of the Lord by virtue of your constant teaching of the Scripture and of your constant study thereof.

003.080 And he commanded you not that ye should take the angels and the prophets for lords. Would he command you to disbelieve after ye had surrendered (to Allah)?

In these verses we learn that no Prophet or angel commanded that we use them as a wasila. By using them as a wasila you are not only going against Allah Almighty?s command and the Prophets wish, but you are also committing shirk.

Qadhi: SubhanAllah! I do not understand what you are saying; neither of the verses you presented even mentions wasila! What the verses are telling us is that the Prophets have never commanded the people to worship them or the angels. The only form of worship they ever commanded was worshipping Allah Almighty alone. However, wasila is not shirk anyway, and if it was then you would have to accept that all forms of wasila is shirk, even wasila of your own good deeds, e.g, Salat, Zakat..etc. Let me explain to you the reality of the verses you presented. If you did not take the verses out of context and read the verses before it, you would have come to understand that these verses are referring to the Jews and Christians, as Allah Almighty says in the Qur?an:

003.061 And whoso disputeth with thee concerning him, after the knowledge which hath come unto thee, say (unto him): Come! We will summon our sons and your sons, and our women and your women, and ourselves and yourselves, then we will pray humbly (to our Lord) and (solemnly) invoke the curse of Allah upon those who lie.

003.064 Say: O People of the Scripture! Come to an agreement between us and you: that we shall worship none but Allah, and that we shall ascribe no partner unto Him, and that none of us shall take others for lords beside Allah. And if they turn away, then say: Bear witness that we are they who have surrendered (unto Him).

003.078 And lo! there is a party of them who distort the Scripture with their tongues, that ye may think that what they say is from the Scripture, when it is not from the Scripture. And they say: It is from Allah, when it is not from Allah; and they speak a lie concerning Allah knowingly.

These verses make it absolutley clear that they are not addressing Muslims at all: they are addressing non-Muslims. Sadly, you are once again directing the verses that speak of non-Muslims, to Muslims.

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The actual Background and meaning

of Verse 003:79/003:80

003.079 It is not (possible) for any human being unto whom Allah had given the Scripture and wisdom and the prophethood that he should afterwards have said unto mankind: Be slaves of me instead of Allah; but (what he said was): Be ye faithful servants of the Lord by virtue of your constant teaching of the Scripture and of your constant study thereof.

003.080 And he commanded you not that ye should take the angels and the prophets for lords. Would he command you to disbelieve after ye had surrendered (to Allah)?

These verses are actually referring back to when the Christians came to the blessed Prophet Muhammad (may Allah bless him and grant him peace), whilst they were worshipping Jesus. When they came to the Prophet Muhamamd (may Allah bless him and grant him peace), he invited the Christians to embrace Islam, although they refused the invitation of Islam, they asked that if they embraced Islam, would they have to worship the Prophet Muhammad (may Allah bless him and grant him peace) just as they were worshipping Jesus (peace be upon him)? It was then that these verses were revealed, which explained that the Prophets will never command the worship of anyone other than Allah Almighty alone.

PART 4

 

The Need of Hadith

 

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Ali: I feel that I have discussed the topic of ?asking help from other than Allah? and ?waasila? with you in great depth. I have put forward some of your arguments to my shaykh and he has told me to start a new topic due to your lack of understanding of the Qur?an. There is a new topic which I am particularly interested to discuss with you, which is, ?Why the Need of Hadith.? Why do we have to believe in hadith? There should be no need for hadith when everything has been mentioned in the Qur?an. Time and time again, Allah Almighty has told us to stay steadfast with the Qur?an and there are many verses explaining to us that the Qur?an has not neglected anything: all things are in the Qur?an, as Allah Almighty says in the Qur?an:

016.089 And (bethink you of) the day when We raise in every nation a witness against them of their own folk, and We bring thee (Muhammad) as a witness against these. And We reveal the Scripture unto thee as an exposition of all things, and a guidance and a mercy and good tidings for those who have surrendered (to Allah).

006.038 There is not an animal in the earth, nor a flying creature flying on two wings, but they are peoples like unto you. We have neglected nothing in the Book (of Our decrees). Then unto their Lord they will be gathered.

From these verses, we clearly learn that Allah Almighty has included ?all things? in the Qur?an. What I find unbelievable is that even after the clear verses mentioned above, people still turn to hadith and are failing to understand the meaning of ?We have neglected nothing from the book?

Qadhi: What you have said is wrong. Only the central principles and laws have been mentioned in the Qur?an. e.g. Salat, Zakat?. The real details are in the hadith. Here are some examples:

·        The amount of Rakah?s (units) in Fajr, Zuhr, Asr, Maghrib and Isha are not mentioned in the Qur?an.

·        Even though the words ?Sajda & Ruku? have been mentioned in the Qur?an, to find out how to implement both these actions into Salat can only be found in hadith; for example, the amount of Ruku?s in each Rakah and amount of Sujud in each Rakah are not mentioned in the Qur?an, yet are mentioned in hadith.

·        What is to be recited in each rukuh and sajda is not in the Qur?an

·        The difference between congregational (jammat) prayer and praying individually is not mentioned in the Qur?an.

·        If someone was to turn up in the middle of the congregational salat, after two or three rakahs have been read, what is this person to do? This is not mentioned in the Qur?an.

·        Details of Tashahud and salutation e.g. when to read this, is not mentioned in the Qur?an

·        If one was to forget how many rakahs to read in salat, what would one do? This is not brought up in the Qur?an

·        When one dies we dress them in white, wash them and perform all the necessary rituals?These details are not in the Qur?an

·        The percentage of Zakat, has not been announced in the Qur?an

·        If one breaks their fast what should he do, this is not pointed out in the Qur?an

·        What to do on Hajj for example, stoning Iblis, how long to stay in mina and arafa, this is not revealed in the Qur?an

·        After Hajj, people go to the Prophet?s (may Allah bless him and grant him peace) grave and perform the 40 salat as the Muslim ummah is doing; this is not written in the Qur?an

·        When you sacrifice an animal in Allah?s way, whether one animal is acceptable for a whole household, or individual sacrifices are to be carried out is not mentioned in the Qur?an

·        Which sins are major and minor are not mentioned in the Qur?an

·        The punishment for major sins and punishment for minor sins are also not mentioned in the Qur?an

·        The punishment for a Muslim drinking wine is not mentioned in the Qur?an

·        The detail of why monkeys and donkeys are unlawful meat, is not mentioned in the Qur?an

Regarding:

?We have neglected nothing from the book?.

You have presented the verse 006:038 without knowing its true meaning. When Allah Almighty says ?we have neglected nothing from the book?, He is not talking of the Qur?an, but rather, He is referring to the ?Lawh-e-Mahfudh? (a guarded tablet.) which is kept above the seven skies, in which knowledge of all times and things is mentioned. Insha?Allah you will also come to know that in fact, the Qur?an is taken from the Lawh-e-Mahfudh. You would have understood that 006:038 is discussing the Lawh-e-mahfudh if you looked a few verses ahead. As Allah Almighty says in the Qur?an:

006.059 And with Him are the keys of the Invisible. None but He knoweth them. And He knoweth what is in the land and the sea. Not a leaf falleth but He knoweth it, not a grain amid the darkness of the earth, naught of wet or dry but (it is noted) in a clear record.

The meaning of ?We have neglected nothing from the book? is discussed in this verse, which means that the ?book? has knowledge of all things; what is in the land, the seas, what is in the dry and wet, it has knowledge of the largest and smallest of creatures, of the existence of life on other planets, it knows of modern and old, computer technology, science, fashion and even TV! It even has the knowledge of when and where a seed will form into a tree, the date of every human?s birth and death, who will be rich and who will be poor. This verse highlights the knowledge this ?book? has, even to the extent that it knows what grains lay in the darkness corners of the earth. But the question is that can this book be the Qur?an? If we look at the emphasis given about the knowledge this book holds, it is obvious that this book is a book other than the Qur?an, as the Qur?an does not inform us of every individual thing on this earth and the Qur?an simply does not fit in with the description of this knowledgeable ?book?. The book being discussed is a book loftier than the Qur?an, a book with more knowledge than the Qur?an, a clear record in which each and every thing is mentioned- indeed it is the Lawh-e-Mahfudh.

006.038 There is not an animal in the earth, nor a flying creature flying on two wings, but they are peoples like unto you. We have neglected nothing in the Book (of Our decrees). Then unto their Lord they will be gathered.

In this verse, Allah Almighty is saying that all the creatures of this earth are a nation like us. Then Allah Almighty says ?We have neglected nothing in the Book? If Allah Almighty was talking of the Qur?an He could have given even a few examples of the creatures, but He did not. At the same time, Allah is saying that He has neglected nothing from the book. This must mean He is talking of another detailed book which is the Lawh-e-Mahfudh. Just as Allah Almighty says elsewhere in the Qur?an:

054.052 And every thing they did is in the scriptures,
054.053 And every small and great thing is recorded.

These verses say that every small and great thing is recorded in the record, although we know the Qur?an does not contain every small and great thing so this can only mean another book-the Lawh-e-Mahfudh.

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The Qur?an is an extract from the ?Lawh-e-Mahfudh?

056.075 Nay, I swear by the places of the stars -
056.076 And lo! that verily is a tremendous oath, if ye but knew -
056.077 That (this) is indeed a noble Qur'an
056.078 In a Book kept hidden
056.079 Which none toucheth save the purified,

056.080 A revelation from the Lord of the Worlds.
056.081 Is it this Statement that ye scorn,

085.021 Nay, but it is a glorious Qur'an.
085.022 On a guarded tablet.

·        In these verses, we learn that there is a ?book? other than the Qur?an, a book hidden, the Lawh-e-Mahfudh-it does exist!

·        Secondly, these verses tell us that the Qur?an was once a part of the Lawh-e-Mahfudh, ?That this is indeed a noble Qur?an in a book kept hidden? the book kept ?hidden? is the Lawh-e-Mahfudh. The Qur?an was extracted from the Lawh-e-Mahfudh, and revealed to the beloved Prophet Muhammad (may Allah bless him and grant him peace).

·        The Lawh-e-Mahfudh, is a clear record of all things as 006:059 tells us

What Sayyidina Musa (peace be upon him)

said to Pharaoh

020.049 (Pharaoh) said: Who then is the Lord of you twain, O Moses ?
020.050 He said: Our Lord is He Who gave unto everything its nature, then guided it aright.
020.051 He said: What then is the state of the generations of old?
020.052 He said: The knowledge thereof is with my Lord in a Record. My Lord neither erreth nor forgetteth

When Pharaoh asked about the nations that went before them, Sayyidina Musa (peace be upon him) answered by telling him it was in a Record with Allah Most Glorious. This record cannot be the Qur?an as it was not yet revealed, it can only be the Lawh-e-Mahfudh! Also note that just in Verse 006:059 the word, record has been used again, not the Qur?an, a book other than the Qur?an, The Lawh-e-Mahfudh.

Regarding:

?We reveal the Scripture unto thee as an exposition of all things?

(016.089)

The meaning you have taken of the words ?exposition of all things? is that you think the Qur?an mentions everything. However you are mistaken as Allah Almighty used these very same words in the previous scriptures as Allah Almighty says in the Qur?an:

07.145 And We wrote for him, upon the tablets, the lesson to be drawn from all things and the explanation of all things, then (bade him): Hold it fast; and command thy people (saying): Take the better (course made clear) therein. I shall show thee the abode of evil-livers.

006.154 Again, We gave the Scripture unto Moses, complete for him who would do good, an explanation of all things, a guidance and a mercy, that they might believe in the meeting with their Lord.

Theses verses inform us of two verses revealed to Sayyidina Musa (peace be upon him) in the Torah. ?The lesson to be drawn from all things and the explanation of all things,? We know that the Torah does not provide an explanation of all things because the Qur?an was then later revealed and explained so much more, even though the same verses have been revealed in the Torah. The meaning of ?all things? in the Torah meant all the guidance needed for the nation at the time.

The explanation of this verse is that indeed the Torah did mention all things, just as the Qur?an now mentions all things, (as 016:089 tells us) although the Qur?an mentions all things to a certain an extent. It gives us knowledge of right wrong, past and future just as the Torah once did. Though they do not explain all things to the extent of, what grain lies in the darkness recesses of the earth. Knowledge of this degree has only been mentioned in the book which nothing has been neglected from ? The Lawh-e-Mahfudh.

Clarification

Do not think that we are claiming that the Qur?an has no knowledge (I seek shelter in Allah!) We firmly believe that the Qur?an is a book of much knowledge, a book of guidance, a book of light, a book revealed for us, a book which explains the laws of our life. As Allah Almighty says in the Qur?an:

010.037 And this Qur'an is not such as could ever be invented in despite of Allah; but it is a confirmation of that which was before it and an exposition of that which is decreed for mankind - Therein is no doubt - from the Lord of the Worlds.

012.111 In their history verily there is a lesson for men of understanding. It is no invented story but a confirmation of the existing (Scripture) and a detailed explanation of everything, and a guidance and a mercy for folk who believe.

Though the point we are trying to make is that the Qur?an is not that particular book which nothing has been neglected from as that book is the Lawh-e-Mahfudh.

Ali: All I have done is provide you with two verses of the Qur?an which you have denied and instead of acknowledging their meaning you have given me a list of things which have not been mentioned in the Qur?an. Let me clarify something for you. You do not understand that if something has been mentioned in the Qur?an we can then link it with the hadith. For example if the word ?salat? has been mentioned in the Qur?an, we can then go to the hadith and believe and follow further detail regarding salat, as long as it does not contradict the words of Allah. I have only given you two verses and you are already running away with an entirely different point. I have many more verses which I will present to you, one by one which will prove that there is not a need of hadith and it does not necessarily have to be followed, if there is no link between the Qur?an and the hadith. Let me just remind you again of a very beautiful verse, as Allah, the King of the worlds says:

006.038 There is not an animal in the earth, nor a flying creature flying on two wings, but they are peoples like unto you. We have neglected nothing in the Book (of Our decrees). Then unto their Lord they will be gathered.

Sadly I believe there is a veil covering your eyes. Insha?Allah with the help of Allah I will lift this veil from your eyes and Allah will guide you.

Qadhi: Ali. Please do not embarrass yourself. I have answered the questions you presented using the verses. The verses you have presented to me simply mean that Allah has laid the ultimate decrees in the Qur?an and has included all the laws in the Qur?an, though many without detail. Your job was to prove the list that I mentioned from the Qur?an but you have failed to do so. Your first claim was that we shouldn?t believe in hadith completely and now you are saying we should, as well as introducing a new idea of ?link?. I have never heard of this ?Link? idea before, nor have you defined for me what you actually mean by it. Going by what you have said, I think it can mean one of the following:

1.     Link could possibly mean that if something mentioned in the Qur?an has also been mentioned in the hadith you should believe it. If this is the case then why would you need hadith? For example, the Qur?an says that Sayyidina Ibrahim (peace be upon him) broke the idols in the polytheists place of worship and this story has also been mentioned in the hadith. Why then would you need to establish a link with the hadith when it has already been mentioned in the Qur?an? You should just trust the story in the Qur?an and there would not even be a need to use hadith! Therefore this meaning of link makes no sense.

 

2.     Link could also mean, associating any word mentioned in the Qur?an with a hadith which further mentions or discussess that same word in the hadith. For example if the word ?Ruku? has been mentioned in the Qur?an, you will then go to the hadith and see what the hadith has to say about ?Ruku?. The hadith can then further inform us with details such as; you are to do one ruku and two sajuds in every rakah; you can then accept this hadith because there is a link between the Qur?an and hadith regarding the word ?Ruku?. However, if this is the case, the Qur?an only mentions the word ?Ruku? or ?Sajud?, but it does not mention that ruku should be applied in every rakah, after you have recited Surat al-Fatihah and an additional surah. This information is only given in hadith; therefore this is contradicting the Qur?an. Furthermore, if you use this ?form? of linking then you have to apply this form to all words mentioned in the Qur?an. This must mean that because the word ?grave? (Qabr) has come in the Qur?an, you must agree with all the hadith discussing the grave. One hadith states that when you arrive and leave the burial of a deceased Muslim, the deceased Muslim hears your footsteps. If we apply the ?linking? here you have to accept this hadith, however I am fully aware that you and the rest of the khawarij reject this hadith! Moreover, even though the word ?wasila? has been mentioned in the Qur?an, you deny and reject all the hadith that explain and discus wasila in detail! In this manner you are not using this ?form? of linking correctly, simply because you do not want to accept some hadith and are forced to accept others, therefore this explanation of ?Link? is also flawed.

 

3.     A third meaning of your term ?link? could be that, even if a hadith does not have a link with the Qur?an you will accept it as long it does not contradict the Qur?an. If this is the case, then there would be no specialty of accepting the sayings and actions of the Prophet (hadith)! This could also mean that if anyone said or did something which did not contradict the words of the Qur?an, you would blindly accept it (simply because their sayings or actions do not contradict the Qur?an). This means there is no difference between the words and actions of the Prophet, and the words and actions of the ordinary man. For this reason, this third possible meaning of the term, ?link? is also flawed. Secondly, if any action or saying of the Prophet is to contradict the Qur?an, then one cannot say that it was the Prophet contradicting the Qur?an. One must understand that if there are any hadiths contradicting the Qur?an then we must say the narrators who narrated these very actions and sayings of the Prophets, may have committed mistakes in hearing these hadiths, and as these hadiths are being passed on from generation to generation, there can be a possibility that in a rare hadith the narrator could have misheard the hadith and mistakenly changed a word. The Scholars of this ummah have written many books on this matter, which are known as the ?Kutb-e-Mawdu?at? in which in detail they discuss the reliabilities of hadith and even ensure whether a hadiths chain is traceable back to the beloved Prophet. If a hadith is not traceable to the Prophet then it is fabricated. Thirdly, if someone were to claim that a certain hadith goes against the Qur?an, then we should ensure that what he is saying is precise. To even make such a claim, one would have needed to study all the Qur?an and hadiths, knowing the principles and types of hadith (Authentic, weak, or fabrication?). Also I would just like to inform you that there has already been an extreme amount of work on the matter of certain hadiths contradicting the Qur?an. Those hadith have already been rejected in dozens of books written by the Islamic Scholars, such as, Allah Ibn Jawzi, Hafidh Dhahabi, Mullah Ali Qari, Hafidh Suyuti etc?

Ali: I have discussed what has been said with my shaykh and he has told me to stay steadfast to the book of Allah. I will read only from the Qur?an and will like to be answered by the Qur?an. Please do not fill any gaps with Bukhari, Muslim, Tabari, Qurtabi or Ibn Kathir! The Prophet and his followers have been commanded in the Qur?an to stick by the Qur?an and stay steadfast upon it. As Allah ta?la has said in the Qur?an:

007.002 (It is) a Scripture that is revealed unto thee (Muhammad) - so let there be no heaviness in thy heart therefrom - that thou mayst warn thereby, and (it is) a Reminder unto believers.

007.003 (Saying): Follow that which is sent down unto you from your Lord, and follow no protecting friends beside Him. Little do ye recollect!

From these verses we can prove that the Prophet Muhammad (may Allah bless him and grant him peace) and his followers were given strict orders to follow the revelation of Allah (alone). The Prophet of Allah was not only told to reveal the Message of Allah but to also follow it.

018.110 Say: I am only a mortal like you. My Lord inspireth in me that your God is only One God. And whoever hopeth for the meeting with his Lord, let him do righteous work, and make none sharer of the worship due unto his Lord.

From this verse we learn that Rasulullah (may Allah bless him and grant him peace) only obeyed that which Allah revealed to him and it was only the Qur?an which was revealed to Rasulullah (may Allah bless him and grant him peace. Where did this ?hadith? come from? This it not another revelation from Allah which we have to follow!

Qadhi: Allah sent the Prophet Muhammad (may Allah bless him and grant him peace) to show mankind the light of al-Islam. Allah always guided our blessed Prophet (may Allah bless him and grant him peace); sometimes he was guided through the angles and at other times without the angles, he was also guided through dreams and Allah Almighty would even guide him (may Allah bless him and grant him peace) directly. This is why all the actions or sayings the Prophet (may Allah bless him and grant him peace) said or did are always from Allah. The khawarij sadly fail to understand this point and believe that Allah Almighty merely sent Muhammad (may Allah bless him and grant him peace) to deliver the message of Islam, which is the Qur?an and that the Qur?an alone should be followed. I will show, Insha?Allah, that Allah Almighty has guided and spoken to our blessed Rasulullah directly through dreams, without any intermediaries.

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Revelation to the Beloved Prophet (may Allah bless him and grant him peace) other than the Qur?an

002.143 Thus We have appointed you a middle nation, that ye may be witnesses against mankind, and that the messenger may be a witness against you. And We appointed the qiblah which ye formerly observed only that We might know him who followeth the messenger, from him who turneth on his heels. In truth it was a hard (test) save for those whom Allah guided. But it was not Allah's purpose that your faith should be in vain, for Allah is Full of Pity, Merciful toward mankind

When the Blessed Prophet (may Allah bless him and grant him peace) came to Makkah he prayed facing Masjid al-Aqsa, (Dome of Rock in Jersulaem) but he (may Allah bless him and grant him peace) always had a deep desire to observe salat facing the Holy Mosque (qiblah) in Makkah. Allah then permitted the prophet to face the Ka?bah as in verses 2:142-2:150 Some people objected to the new ruling of changing direction of prayer to the Ka?bah instead of Masjid al-Aqsa, Allah Almighty then revealed the following verse:

002.143 And We appointed the qiblah which ye formerly observed only that We might know him who followeth the messenger.

In this verse Allah Almighty has informed us that He had formerly commanded the Prophet and his followers to face praying towards Masjid al Aqsa, but because of Rasulullah?s (may Allah bless him and grant him peace) desire to pray facing towards the Ka?bah, Allah then commanded all Muslims to face towards the Kabah when praying. The interesting point here is there is no verse in the Qur?an which ever commanded Rasulullah (may Allah bless him and grant him peace) to pray facing towards Masjid al-Aqsa! Even though Allah Almighty said that ?And We appointed the qiblah which ye formerly observed? This must mean that Allah Almighty commanded Rasulullah (may Allah bless him and grant him peace) to pray towards Masjid al-Aqsa through a form of revelation other than the Qur?an, such as a dream or directly.

Adhan (The call to prayer)

The Prophet Muhammad (may Allah bless him and grant him peace) was ordered by Allah to make adhan five times a day before each prayer, which the Prophet commanded us to do. However this command has been mentioned nowhere in the Qur?an.

005.058 And when ye call to prayer they take it for a jest and sport. That is because they are a folk who understand not.

From this verse we learn that when the adhan was said, the non-believers used to mock it. Though it does not mention when the Prophet Muhammad (may Allah bless him and grant him peace) was commanded to say adhan or when it began to be said. So how then did the Prophet Muhammad (may Allah bless him and grant him peace) know to say adhan in the way it was said and to this day is still is said? Surely Allah was communicating to the Prophet which had not been included in the Qur?an. As we are all aware that he (may Allah bless him and grant him peace) could never do something without Allah Almighty?s approval.

Jummah (Friday prayer)

062.009 O ye who believe! When the call is heard for the prayer of the day of congregation, haste unto remembrance of Allah and leave your trading. That is better for you if ye did but know.

This verse proves that adhan was already established but no where in the Qur?an does it mention to establish adhan nor does it make any mention when it was established.

From the above we learn that the Prophet Muhammad (may Allah bless him and grant him peace) must have received revelation other then the verses of the Qur?an informing him to establish the call to prayer. You will be interested to know that the order of adhan has been mentioned in the hadith. This is only one simple, example which stresses the need and importance of hadith, so eventually the Muslim ummah has to turn to the hadiths in order to practice and follow their din comprehensively.

Janaaza (Funeral Prayer)

Nowhere in the Qur?an is it commanded to perform a janaaza (funeral) prayer when someone passes away. However, during the time of Rasulullah (may Allah bless him and grant him peace) if anyone died, he (may Allah bless him and grant him peace) would always perform a Janaaza for the deceased. Rasulullah (may Allah bless him and grant him peace) also used to pray for the hypocrites (that Allah may forgive them), but later, verse was revealed commanding Rasulullah (may Allah bless him and grant him peace) not to pray for the hypocrites. As Allah Almighty says in the Qur?an,

009.084 And never (O Muhammad) pray for one of them who dieth, nor stand by his grave. Lo! they disbelieved in Allah and His messenger, and they died while they were evil-doers.

From this verse we learn that Rasulullah (may Allah bless him and grant him peace) was commanded not to pray for the hypocrites, despite their being no comman in the Qur?an to read this prayer. Clearly, the Prophet Muhammad (may Allah bless him and grant him peace ) was commanded elsewhere to pray this prayer otherwise he himself would not start this pratcise without any instruction from Allah Azawajaul.

Cutting trees

In one war which the Muslims fought, Rasulullah (may Allah bless him and grant him peace) commanded that the trees of a tribe, Banu Nadir, should be cut down as Allah talaa says in the Qur?an

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